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Culture » Western Culture / African Culture by: Kenny11973(m) .:. Wed, 05 Nov, 2014 - 12:04:17:pm GMT
I just have a discussion with a friend in state about the western culture and African culture. I pointed out that we have the best culture than the western world, which he disagree. I mentioned the "African greetings", "respect for elder" and the likes as what makes us superior, when compare with the way it is are down there. He the last time he check the elementary definition of culture, it is define as "the total way of life of people, which include language, food, dress, religion and social life'. therefore, if by the way kids do not respect their elder is there culture, and they have result for it (development) and we that have that respect, we are still under develop, he now said he think the culture that is producing result is better. What do you think?
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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Joyodishika247(f) .:. Mon, 04 Jan, 2021 - 07:04:17:pm GMT


     Apart from the norms, mores, customs and culture  of the people, every society has religions and modes of worship. The religions are indigenous and have been with the people from the inception of their society. 

     The people may have cult members who worship at the shrine where, most of the time, sacrifices are made and rituals are performed to protect the people from harm. The western culture is very particular with sacrifice and rituals. It very particular in the western side of Africa. 


       Most often, their is someone who people talk or ask question like the chief priest is the diviner who consults the oracle on behalf of the people. To protect themselves, the people usually use charms  and amulets to ward off evil spirits and conjure good spirits through the use to chants and incantations. A religion of this sort is referred to as traditional religion.

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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Francis(m) .:. Tue, 05 Jan, 2021 - 09:25:01:am GMT

Different people with their cultures!!.
We can't say their culture over there is bad, because it yields good result for them. They are okay with it, and that is what they believe.
Here in Africa, especially Nigeria, we have the best culture that goes along with the word of God, especially the habit of greetings and dressing. But if I may ask, where is it today?. No where to be found. Most of our young ones now behave like the western people, so why would they not critisize our culture, when we don't live up to the expectations. 
The western people stands on their culture whether or not is in line with the what God has commanded., and they  are doing great.,while we are still struggling with our culture.
Africa culture is the best, most especially Yoruba land. If we can just reconcile back to our way if life, we won't be looking down on.

**Francis**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Tue, 05 Jan, 2021 - 10:35:05:am GMT

To me, if at this stage of our lives and with the level of knowledge and experience you must have acquired in life, you still even think it talkmore of argue it that our African culture is better than the western culture then that person is not exposed or has acquired the attributes of ignorance which is the problem of our elderly ones in Nigeria. Ignorance is the disease plaguing the elderly Nigerians, it has made them rigid rather than flexible up to the extent that when they even see something that is good, they still stick to the one that is causing problems for them. If as a youth and you are still hyping your African culture ahead of the western culture, then that is a big problem for you because the difference is very clear.


Also, I want to chip in this that it is in most cases peopl that have never travelled out of the country before that will just making assumptions based on some movies that they have watched. You can't just say that children abroad are disrespectful because of their culture. 

Many African children especially in Nigeria have because of respect become what they never liked in the first place which is very wrong. Take school to be precise, a child will be gifted in dancing but the parents will insist that such child should go and study medicine instead of sending the child to a dance school to do what he loves best. After graduating from Medical school, he will now become a quack doctor or won't have money to further. 90 percent end up failing and changing courses here and there. Some even end up getting rusticated. And such child will now loose both ways. 

Culture is the total way of life of the people and we should understand that the essence of this way of life is for the betterment of the people so it is advisable to copy a culture where they have stable water supply, electricity, good roads, employment, innovation. Than to be here ignorantly following a culture where they are busy embezzling the country's funds. Bad roads everywhere, poor electricity, high poverty, high unemployment rate poor innovation, etc. Nigeria problem too plenty and we have all the resources to outgrow some developed countries and be among the top countries but we don't have a culture that will help us develop. 

We better compare our culture with good culture of other countries where things are working for their betterment so we can learn and do away with all this our nonsense culture that is doing us more harm than good.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Fashnet(m) .:. Wed, 06 Jan, 2021 - 11:24:40:am GMT


@Francis: Nice and lovely contribution there Francis I strongly believe in our culture and it's value but the truth is that there are lots and lots of things that we need to let go in out culture that serve as barrier to our civilisation, growth and economical development.


 There are lots of foreign cultures that are far from reaching us and this even makes the expatriates and different forms of white and international communities to travel down to Africa to learn and practice our culture as it is.

 Culture itself has its way traced back to thousands of years back when the world was one with one language and one people who had the vision to build the tallest tower to the sky with the aim to enter heaven and meet with God from the holy bible.

  The world was one then with one leader and one culture but with this vision and mission they were scattered into different tongues and languages by God and this lead to their disunity and separation to different lands, countries, tribes, colours, race and ethnicity.

 From this separation came culture practices and different way of life based on the type of languages that were spoken and the type of people that met and that were formed then as this has a whole lot of impact on the cultures that were formed.

 Another point is that some powerful nations got to go round to enslave the less powerful ones and their cultural values were enforced on them. With all these different cultures came into practice and some cultures were found to be the same.

  Now back to the culture we practice in Nigeria and Africa at large. Some cultures are in the practice of still killing human beings for festival and rituals but all these are set backs which must be stopped. Some set of people are only allowing the devil to deceive them by killing others as this is a major set back to us.

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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Chamak(f) .:. Wed, 06 Jan, 2021 - 03:31:37:pm GMT

To me western culture is way ahead of our African culture by miles and I don't think it is something that can be argued. There are many things that our beloved African culture here supports that I feel it is not supposed to be so.


In life, change is constant and we can't expect something that was created a very long time ago to still be very effective in this modern times and I think that is the problem of the African culture. Many of our African culture needs to be modified so it can benefit the people because majority of them are outdated or bias in the sense that it favours one gender more than the other which is not a good idea in an era like now where feminism is highly practiced.

For example, the current trend on social media in Nigeria is as regards DNA test, and I want to bring it to the notice of some of us that might not be aware that our culture here in Nigeria favours paternity fraud. I got to realize that in Nigeria here especially in the east, if a man marries a wife and the woman later go out to cheat on the man, if the act eventually leads to the woman getting pregnant and she gives birth to that baby, according to tradition, that baby belongs to the husband because he was the one that paid her bride price. Meaning that if the biological father later comes to claim his child, he will be sent away because he did not marry the woman before impregnating her. I was also surprised to also find out that if the biological father should take the case to the court, the court will pass a similar judgement in support of the tradition. That way, that child will now grow up calling another man his dad and taking the family name of another man when his real father is some where else.

We really need change in many sectors in our economy for things to work for the good of this country because Nigeria keeps on going down the drain in many aspects and needs to be revived.

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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Gbasky(m) .:. Wed, 06 Jan, 2021 - 03:32:04:pm GMT


@nagiano: Okay, I can understand your frustration...living in a country which is supposedly a giant among the rest, best at almost everything only to find out that none of those is contributing to the development of itself, its so so sad. Nevertheless, the fact can not just be ignored, though the western people have their own unique way of life which is culture, and of which says a lot about them. But I don't think their culture has a direct impact on the development and growth of their country, culture is simply the way people live their daily life, the way they behave in the society, their custom and all that, even if it will be a reason but not for those already developed western countries. I can say categorically that their way of life is even causing them harm that they don't know of, it is in their own way of life that marriage between two men is okay, I mean you hear all sort of act and practices that is very disgusting to the hear which they find normal. 

So bro, regardless of where we are now in this country, we still have a better culture compared to the western world. We have only kept our way of life and gone for westerner's, we see it as an advancement so we practice their culture and even do it more than them. Starting from the food, to the dressing, to the greetings, even speaking. Some people can not speak their native dialect at all, everything coming out their mouth is English. There you will see some running to those creamy salad of this world, devouring it like there is no other thing, meanwhile they will get home only to force themselves to vomit. We are trying to adopt the foreign culture by all means even if its not good for us. Greetings has now become something of the past, I don't see a child who still kneels or prostrate to greet his parents or elderly person again, its something of the past now. Children greet their parents via the WhatsApp, the one that greets physically will just bend his heads, everything is going the way of the westerners. 
We have forgotten how cool our amala, ewedu with gbegiri can be, how salivating the nkwobi and edi kai kon can look when served in the plate. How nourishing our meals can be to the body, we are said to be stronger and healthier than the whites because of the kind of food we eat, now they are learning how to cook our meal and its been acceptable almost everywhere there, and we are here leaving those foods for some boiled frog and steamed leaves??? 
I didn't talk about dressing because I love the we still show the world our beautiful way of dressing, we could have just compromised if not because we(Nigerians) loves fashion, and that's why we see beautiful styles of Ankara, materials, as👎oke, ofi and the likes out there and that's encouraging. When you wear an Agbada you feel like a king, a westerner will never understand that feelings.

Our culture is just so very much better than the westerners.

**HGP**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Wed, 06 Jan, 2021 - 04:18:22:pm GMT


@Gbasky:


My brother, you lie big time and our culture is no where near the western culture, take it or leave it. 

You talk about food, language, marriage, lifestyle etc, these things are the reasons why they are far far better than us. Do you want to telle that amala is better than the food they eat over there or the different languages that we speak over here that has made us to discriminate ourselves more rather than to be our brothers keeper.

If they choose to legalize gay marriage, it is their problem but the fact still remains that they keep on achieving new things but what has our language, respect and food achieved for us here. Our culture has been promoting fraud and scam right from day one and that is why some traditions will want to render their daughters suitors bankrupt with huge bride price. Later when the husband start using the woman to learn boxing at home people will start talking. Especially in marriage, don't even go there because as far as I'm concerned, our culture is not making marriage easy for us over here. 

You talked about food, bro if you eat good food, you're expected to live long but Nigeria currently has the lowest life expectancy rate worldwide if you don't know. But everyday we brag about our eba and amala that is reducing our lifespan for us. The western world have a life expectancy of 80 to 90 years but Nigeria here it is 45 to 47 years. Meaning that once you live up to 50 years in Nigeria, you have tried. But abroad it starts from 80 years. 

One reason why Corona virus is flexing abroad and not really plaguing Nigerians that much is because the population of old people abroad is very high compared to Nigeria. If you are 50 years and you are abroad, you are still young to an extent. 

Culture is the total way of life but from Africa here we can see how their way of life is helping them progress but we keep on going down the drain. We need to start doing things right before it becomes too late.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Gbasky(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 09:15:28:am GMT


@nagiano:You are not entirely wrong as well, we might be facing a serious problem concerning the diversity in our language, our language has been a major barrier in forming that togetherness that will create a better living environment for us all. 

Where I won't agree with you completely is your say about the westerners being better than us because of their way of life, that's totally a big misconception. Let's emphasise on language a bit as part of way of life of people, we can say all day that we are separated by self discrimination as a result of diversity in language, and someone like you will capitalize on that fact to justify our stagnancy in this country, but do know as well that countries like China, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico and others have their regional or local languages except for their official language being used at public places, just like our own Nigeria right? Now tell me if having multiple languages can make a country remain stagnant why are those countries still developing and better than us? That is simply because culture whatsoever does not have a direct impact on the development of a country. Do you think we can't come together in this country because we speak different languages? No! Its because we are not ready, look at what happened during the end SARS protest, how everyone, youth, young and old were united regardless of their language and religion because we wanted one thing and we were ready. While all of these were going on, there was a way by which everyone communicated effectively and there was no problem. 

We are where we are today because we refuse to accept and adopt our own way of life, almost all the toothpaste we use in this country is made from abroad, tell me how this country will develop when we keep investing on the westerners product, we can't get back to how we use to do our things, make a big deal out of it and everyone will accept it. That is how to develop a country, not indulging other people's culture and expect a turn around, it doesn't work that way.

**HGP**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Flat(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 12:27:06:pm GMT

Western culture and African culture! Seeing through all the comments so far, it clearly shows that we understood what culture is. Every community, state, country and even the least of it which is a family as a way and pattern which guide the ways things are being done. Just have we have said, culture covers the aspect of language, greetings, food, it covers the area of marriage and some other things, even coming to the aspect of education and even our moral beliefs. In-fact, I can simply say culture is what you say it is because it depends on the angle you are viewing it from. 
Of a truth, the Africa culture is truly rich, the children are respectful to the elders, the marriage proceedings are insightful, the general way of life is really a good one but if we will not deceive ourselves, the African culture is really a static culture. Ever since I was small till this my present age, there is no changes in the society and there ought to be some level of changes this culture needs to bring to us. Our level of civilization is a shortcoming on its own and that the more reason why the western culture at some point might be better than the culture we carry here. I need us to understand that the African culture is better than the Western culture but the fact that the Western culture was able to accommodate civilization in the areas of technology, civilization in the areas of economy and even in all the sectors of the economy, it makes it better than us. The Western culture allows the child to arrest the parents in case of discipline through beating, gay or lesbianism marriage and all other stupid things the Western culture accommodate and they still have a good society. Fine, they might have broken homes but it is not affecting their technological advancements. Why don’t we then pick the web ones and neglect the odd ones.


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Ojc(E)(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 01:09:04:pm GMT

                      Hmmmmmnnnnn..... This is very interesting.

                       Why are you so excited with the fact that you think that our barbaric culture is better than the western culture.
                         How would to compare a culture that has refused to modify itself as the world is changing every single day to the western culture that keeps modifying itself as the world is changing.
                          In life we should not be static in nature but we should be dynamic.
                          Please do not compare our uncivilised African culture to the western culture.
                          The problem with us in this part of the world is that we lack the ability to evaluate ourselves and our culture as well.
                           If you look deeply in the cultures in Nigeria, you'll realise that it is one of the major reason why Nigeria has been regressing instead of progressing.
                            I love the fact that you made a statement which says that a culture that is progressing is better.
                           Which is the real truth. A culture that is regressing is a bad culture.
                             The western culture is 100 times better than the African culture no doubt.

**LAGOS**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 01:11:43:pm GMT


@Flat:


I understand that we Africans we have pride and ego up to the extent that even when we know the truth, we tend to find a way to use sentiment to cover it because we know truly that it is a shame that our African culture is of little benefit to us compared to the western  culture that benefit its people in all ramifications. 

Me supporting the western culture doesn't meant that I don't know that they too have their own defects, its just that everyone have eyes and ears and we can use our senses to judge which is better with the informations gathered.

We should learn to stop being ignorant and speak the truth when we see it. The way I see it, some of our youths have inherited the ignorance of their fathers and this has made them to be rigid when they are meant to be flexible. We should leave sentiment aside because it is only when we admit the truth and speak it that change can take effect because if everyone starts voicing out, our leaders will be moved to an extent and come next election,  it will make us vote wisely.

Food, respect,  dressing, technology,  in fact as far as the word way of life is concerned,  the western culture beat our African culture hands down with double figures. Forget all the negative things we say about them over here in Nigeria, i implore you to travel there and see things for yourself. Then you will get to realise that some of the things we hammer prayers for God to do for us over here, they achieved it because of their way of life. 

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 01:21:03:pm GMT


@Gbasky:


Bro China, Indonesia and the other countries you mentioned have multiple languages but if you do a deep research,  the number is low compared to our own here in Nigeria. Languages are just too plenty in this country and that is a very big problem. 

During the end sars protest, it was still the language of the western world we used in communicating and it even helped us to be united to an extent. I have come to realize that in almost every thing we do in this country we must borrow something from the western culture so why are we now comparing our culture with theirs.

Even the developed African countries still adopt one or two things from the western culture and we Nigerians are now comparing our culture with theirs. Thank God you saw the tweet trending all over twitter as regards Tracy that was blasting our culture over here and that lady will get A1 if she had done a research using us as case study. 

You see youths out there, no job, no food, nothing. We can't even innovate anything for ourselves here. Even when someone tries to break that barrier and do something,  sponsorship will not let that person progress. 

Culture is a way of life and a good way of life is supposed to help you be disciplined, it is supposed to help you grow to become a better person, it is suppose to benefit you. Way of life is simply how you live your life and when the way you are doing it is not benefitting you then you either modify or throw it away and adopt the one that will help you grow and benefit you.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Flat(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 02:06:25:pm GMT


@nagiano:

Hmmm! I understand your position here but I would not want us to attribute the failure of our nation Africa to our culture. Fine, our culture might have a role in it but the failure of Africa is beyond the issue of culture. So, I might not totally agree with you at the point where you were saying a child that love dancing but was forced to go to medical school is as a result of culture. You see, issues like this happens everywhere, it is not limited at all, it happens in every other nations just as it is happening here and this is as a result of the self interest some parents have developed for some particular profession, in which they wish to see one of their children practicing that profession. Therefore, it as nothing to do with culture.
The major issue we are having in this country us not the issue of culture at all. If you look at my previous post, have firstly said that our culture is the issue but later have come to realize that it is not our culture because if it is our culture, there would be space for the education we are having, there won’t acceptance of that white wedding we do and even the law we practice. But rather the issue is the self-centredness of our leaders. It is as a result of this self-centredness of our leaders that is causing a great degradation in the growth of our economy, that is why we having high rate of embezzlement, that is why there is high rate of unemployment and to wrap it all, that is why our level of technological advancements is questionable because all the funds that are meant for all this things are what this useless leaders are taking for themselves and their families.
Aside all this, I can tell it to you that our culture is better than the African culture.


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Gbasky(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 06:47:25:pm GMT


@nagiano:Honestly I admire your spirit, but sincerely you are fighting for the right thing in the wrong way. When we talk about the success of these white people's countries, when we look deep into their foundation and their progression, we would realize that they have the dream of what we all see in them today long time ago, they planned for it, they knew what they wanted, they started from somewhere and they are where they are today. It is never as a result of direct impact of their culture. They own everything they have now because they never relented, they keep on making research to sort for new things that would be of great use and benefit to them and the rest of the world, that is not a way of life, that is simply basic, every country does that except us (Nigeria). So we can't compare the way, mode or shape of their countries with ours in terms of science, technology, economic, amenities, infrastructure..... they have a better, standard and comfortable state of being than us.


Now let's talk about their culture, we can't forget it. I mean how can we overlook a culture that allows a child to tells his/her parent "fuck you"...how can we forget a culture that permits a sexual relationship between individuals of the same sex?....we can't possibly overlook those horrible things bro, that is the way of life of these people and you are insisting they have a better culture practices than us? what will you do if your child tells threatens to sue you or call the cops for you? I bet you will plead with him/her right? Something tells me you will almost kill the child, you know why already.
I read you talk about a culture that does not advance or change, maybe we don't know exactly what culture is. Culture is what later turns out to be tradition, it is the way some group of people, society, state or country have been living and has lasted for long enough to become a tradition. You don't expect culture to change as the world is changing, other things can change what ever is Tradition can't. 

I am still letting you know that these foreign culture that we practice here is what is polluting our society. We now have cases of lesbianism, gay, drug addiction, disrespect, rape and others....
All these were not existing when we still held on to our own culture. 

We stick to our culture, we pray for a better country, the westerners culture does not guarantee us a better life, only their advancement can.

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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Flat(m) .:. Thu, 07 Jan, 2021 - 07:47:32:pm GMT


@nagiano:

Like seriously, you are funny. Sincerely, I need you to understand that there is nothing like sentiment in this thing we are discussing here. I can clearly see how far you have really fall in love with the Western culture and am not against that. But am still standing on the point that the African culture is not having any fault at all because it as proven itself to be accommodating. Fine, its way of being accommodating might not be easy at start but it eventually became a reality. If the African culture was rigid, there will not be anything call Christianity, there will not be education and even some of this Westerner’s that are having investment in any of this African countries wouldn’t have the opportunity to do. So, if the African culture still then put into place some of the western culture, where then is culture the issue we are facing, this is what I want us to understand.
Africa as a nation is not having challenges in terms of culture, we understand the culture, we are okay with the culture. Talking about the diversity in language; this have been assumed to be an issue but to me it is not. Look at it from this angle, if we say language is the issue, how come do we have one voice when the nation is playing as a team and our differences are forgotten. So, this simply tells us that language is not the issue but the leaders we have are the ones that are making an issue out of it. 
Either you agree with me or not, there is ignorance on the part of our culture as you claimed and likewise there is no sentiment, if only our leaders can just be truthful and faithful in their dealings. Therefore, am still on the point that culture is not our problem in Africa but rather bad governance.


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 12:21:21:am GMT


@Flat:


The fact about your opinion is that your references are just so backwards and ancient and that is why you are finding it difficult to accept the truth.

I want to ask you one question 

What exactly have you benefitted from African culture since you were born?

Please don't tell me food, respect and all those simple and normal things that any culture can teach its people. I want you to answer from the aspect of marriage, way of thinking, self development, innovation. I think just these few sectors are fine.

Let me now give my own points, firstly,  as regards marriage,  western marriage is not as problematic as our traditional marriage here in Nigeria especially. I don't even need to go into much details as regards the marriage aspect because you know the truth, you know all the hectic and timeous processes involved in our own traditional marriage here in our country. And this is the reason why many people here are still bachelors not because they are not ready for marriage but because they are scared of the unexpected billing that they will get from the parents of the girl, though the bill is not high in some cultures.

In terms of way of thinking, we claim to be respectful people and that our culture teaches us respect but I want to let you know that respect in Nigeria is exhibited with bias and I have witnessed it alot. In Nigeria here, we always praise yoruba children that they know how to greet very well because of the way they prostrate while greeting but many of them only respect their fellow yoruba people and disrespect other tribes especially hausa.  I have witnessed it several times a yoruba child will prostrate and greet an elderly yoruba person and in the next minute you see him insulting an elderly hausa or igbo person. This is something I have even fought a yoruba boy for before. I am bringing this aspect out so that we won't come out here and be saying western children insults elderly people as if our own African children here are innocent of it.

Out of every 100 youths you will see out there, like 60 percent are into one form of scam or the other. Either they are doing yahoo, or they are duping their fellow Nigerians, you will hardly see up to ten in that 100 that will be truthful and be thinking in the right direction. 
As I'm typing this comment now my friends over here see me as a boring person, why because I don't carry different girls like they do. The worst part is they know my girlfriend and that me I'm a one woman guy but they say I'm boring because I'm not cheating and me I have a vision and things I intend to achieve before the year runs out. But all they do is hustle, make money and carry girls. As I'm talking to you now half of the are now baby papas but they are not ready for marriage.

I don't blame them sometimes because I know the rate at which elderly men cheats on their wives and they have passed it on to their children and that is why Nigerians are mostly interested in making babies. If you ask any man in Nigeria how many babies he will like to have, he will say like three or four and they are seeing that the economy is bad and there are no jobs but because of their way of thinking they make a lot of unwise decisions.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Ojc(E)(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 12:39:17:am GMT

                        Is this really something to argue about?? When we already know the truth.

                         African culture is no match for the western culture in any way. 
                          How will you compare African culture to the western culture where we so much depend on for every thing we want.
                           The major things we produce in this part of the world are corrupt, greedy and self centered politicians because it is only in Africa you find a president they wants to spend his lifetime ruling a nation without thinking of stepping down.
                             A culture that is so backwards and rigid and most of us are so comfortable with it.
                              Please do not compare African culture to the western culture that has made us what we are today.
                              Imagine if we never met the Britains, the Portuguese that came to the shores of Nigeria, by now most of us would still be walking naked and living in huts like cave men...
                              

**LAGOS**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 12:47:20:am GMT


@Gbasky:


Who told you that gayism, lesbianism were not in existence before, that is a blatant lie. Their culture never polluted our culture every individual that decides to pollute him or herself had a choice to make so stop saying it as if it was forced on them.

I have noticed that since this topic commenced the only points you keep on emphasising as the defects in their culture is same sex marriage and the child that speaks rudely to their parents.

These defects you hold against them are also happening i here in Nigeria despite our culture that teaches respect but the cases are minimal compared to theirs over there. If I begin to list all the problematic traditions that we have here in Nigeria,  I will do vigil typing them on this platform tonight.

Let me just chip in one or two of them, for example, last year, the supreme Court abolished an igbo tradition that prevents a daughter from inheriting her fathers property which is a very good step in the right direction. So these elderly igbo men have been using that tradition to scam women of their inheritance and they come up with stupid excuses as their reasons for doing it. The worst part was that there was a discussion about the decision of the supreme Court that period on radio and to my surprise many elderly igbo men were still saying that over their dead body will their daughter that is married inherit anything from her fathers property. The worst part was that one elderly man called and dared any woman to go and claim property if amadioha will not strike her and I was like this is display of ignorance and foolishness on public where people from other countries are listening.

Also, in some culture in Nigeria,  if a woman's husband dies, she had to drink the water that was used to bath the dead body of her husband just to prove that she has no hands in her husband's death, rubbish. And if she refuses, they claim that she is responsible for her husband's death absolute nonsense. 

Infact thinking of the many barbaric traditions i know about especially the many that are gender biased sickens me. 

You said culture has nothing to do with the development of a nation. Do you even know the meaning of the phrase WAY OF LIFE? I will like you to explain the meaning to me and its effect on the environment or society.  Thank you.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Flat(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 09:15:06:am GMT


@nagiano:

Sincerely speaking, am having more interest in this subject matter not just because of the fact that I love argument but most times I love clarifications. Like I do say, no one is an highland of knowledge and I stand to be corrected and it will be accepted after scrutiny. Coming back to the subject matter, I need you to understand the fact that you can’t judge the present if the past is not well examined; judging the present in the absence of the past will only give a bias generalisation. 
 Of a truth, the marriage proceedings in the African culture is really exorbitant, it is even time consuming and tedious but we can see that even in the midst of this, it tends to show dignity of the lady in that marriage. Back then in the days when the culture is still respected very well, the ladies so much keep their virginity having it in mind the honour that will be accorded to them after the night of their wedding. But where do we find ourselves today, the western culture have gone ahead to encourage a lot of young people to go into premarital sex just because they have different knowledge of our to restore their virginity. The only error in which the African culture as in the issue of marriage is based on the ridiculous bride and dowry list, aside those two things, every other things are highly okay. 
The western culture that you made mention of, in terms of marriage, go and check the level of divorce rate amidst them which is majorly caused by lack of commitment and extra marital affairs and this are the things people of this side of the world are learning from there just as your friend are doing now.
In terms of thinking, the African culture as really done a lot on me because it made me realize that am a responsibility taker, it made me realise that as a man am not meant to be idle but rather to sit upright and ready for the task. On the areas of self development and innovation, if only we want to deceive ourselves, the African culture is trying and this have not been fruitful just because of the bad governance we have. 


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Gbasky(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 09:22:33:am GMT


@nagiano:At first I thought you were just talking based on some solid fact, but I now realize your points are purely based on your feelings, in fact you adding tribal sentiment with it. How can you say our marriage here is more problematic than theirs? And that is why so many men are still single? Oh man! where are you from? Miami or Manchester? You talk like you were never born and raised here in Nigeria. There is no marriage process that is as intriguing, fascinating and exciting as African marriage, the bride price and dowry of a thing makes it responsible, it has been like that since ancient and till now the proceedings still remain as great as ever. Do you even know the kind of feelings you get when you are having a traditional marriage? Do you know how glamorous it can be? If you haven't done it before you should have been to one, It is just what anybody could wish for. 


Again how can you agree that our culture teaches respect but talk about a Yoruba boy who only greets elderly Yoruba people and insult an Hausa man. That's purely baseless and sentimental. Generally speaking we all know that Africans, Nigerians specifically are known to be respectful, the major tribes of Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa also sees respect as essential. So if a Yoruba boy insults an Hausa man doesn't mean an Igbo boy can not insult a Yoruba woman, this can just happen anywhere, in fact it happens everywhere but the that fact remains that our culture teaches respect, the act of rudeness we see out there by our youths might just be the result of we trying to indulge the westerner's culture. 

The problem I have with you is that you are trying to attach our failure in this country to the kind of culture we practice of which is not. That is why I am letting you know that culture does not have a direct impact on the development of a nation. Countries like the U.S, U.K and the rest are not developed because of the way they dress, the way they speak, the food they eat, or the kind of marriage they have. Their achievement is basically not on that yard stick. 

**HGP**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 10:00:31:am GMT


@Flat:


Bro this topic is becoming more and more interesting because I never stop on something that I'm very well informed about. 

You keep on acusing the western culture for promoting premarital sex and praise our African culture that discourages it. That is not true, back in the days, if you marry as a virgin in Nigeria, your husband and the family will cherish you alot no doubt about that but now we have many non virgins, I also want to use this as an opportunity to remind you that the western wedding only permits a virgin to put on a white wedding gown and that is still ongoing till date. Meaning that the western marriage too discourages premarital sex but it is not forcing it on its people like we were doing in Africa before. Many ladies these days will want to walk than the alter with their lovely white dress on their wedding day but if you're not a virgin you can't use a white dress rather you will use cream or pitch colour wedding dress. But we know that many ladies doing the white wedding these days are lieing to pastors about their virginity just because they want a white wedding dress. 

Do you know that the reason why here in Nigeria, 85 percent find it easy to scam or do fraud because they now see it as a norm. That is why there is this saying in pidgin NA ONLY WHO THEM CATCH BE CRIMINAL Meaning that if you're involved in fraud and you're not caught then you're innocent. As I'm talking to you now, if you decide to investigate the first 100 people you will come across, you will get to realize only like 5 percent will be doing legit jobs and the rest will be involved in one form of corrupt practice or the other.

See the reason for comparative studies is to look into another culture and copy the good ones and do away with the ones that won't benefit you but Nigerians wants to copy everything both good and bad. The question you will ask yourself is that how many developed countries have copied atleast one or two things from our culture and inculcated it into their own just to better themselves and their society. The answer is none or very few because Nigeria is swimming in different forms of problems day in day out and we have culture. 

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 10:36:21:am GMT


@Gbasky:


Bro you don't continue to hold on to a misconception of the highest order and when you're being corrected, you find it difficult to research and clarify for yourself. 

How will you tell me that I'm speaking based on my feelings as if I wasn't born and bred here in Nigeria, that is another lie and another misconception of the highest order. 

Culture any time any day will have direct impact on the Development  of a nation and I will stand on this whether you accept or not because I know it is a fact and also the truth. 

Culture in its entirety is one of the main pillars of development and sustenance of communities and no society can progress in its absence. Incase you don't know, peoples lifestyles,  individual behaviour, consumption patterns, values and our inheritance with the natural environment are mostly influenced by  our cultures.

If development can be regarded as the enhancement of our living standards, then efforts geared towards development can never ignore culture. The role of culture in creating jobs, eradicating poverty, providing safe access to water and food, making the environment more sustainable, etc are major and irreplaceable.

You keep on shouting about respect and you condemned my instance, my question here is how many people are respectful in this country? But our culture teaches respect. If the culture teaches respect then at least 70 percent of Nigerians must be respectful but that is not the case meaning that the objective of our culture is not being achieved. When an objective is not being achieved, the it is either the objective is modified or a different approach should be adopted to meet it. 

You also lied again that our traditional marriage here is less tideous than the western marriage. Are you even listening to yourself. What is beautiful about the noise and the funds that are wasted just to meet up with the traditional marriage. If you doubt me bro I implore you to ask questions as to why some men are not yet married and confirm for yourself especially if the lady they intend to marry is from the South East and some parts in South South. 

I never went against dowry, it is a normal thing to do if the list is asking for the right things and not seen as a means of extortion. 

In fact I want you to list the way of life of Nigerians and tell me how it has benefitted the country. Or is it not the same way of life that is putting us in more problems. Please give points that we can both learn from and not come here and tell me that I'm talking based on feelings. If I write project on this topic I will score A1 anytime anyday. 

I also got to find out that our tradition in Nigeria supports paternity fraud. And this is a culture that we are wasting our time defending. We are not even sure if we are even answering the name of our real father but we are defending the tradition. I laugh in Spanish.




**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Fri, 08 Jan, 2021 - 10:55:06:am GMT


@ Kenny11973

See that person that told you this is intelligent and speaks the truth. Culture that produces result and achieves its goals is better than the one that is only causing more problems for us. 

This greeting that we keep on shouting about is something that is very basic. Many of the cultural practices we do here are filled with bias, or it will be gender based or it will be fraudulent and that is why Nigeria is still in a mess. 

See what happened last year that innocent youths were massacred by this current government last year but don't be surprised that come 2023 millions will still vote for them after collecting 5000 naira or packet of salt or two derica of rice, etc. And this is what has been happening in our elections for a very long time now and that is why we keep on voting in the wrong people into power. 

A president that refused to show up on presidential primaries to tell us how he intends to run this country, we still voted him into power and we neglected the candidates that addressed the nation on how they intend to run the country and we say we have a good culture. 

My question is that if our culture teaches respect, discipline, responsiveness, and many other good attributes, why is it that the country is now filled with irresponsible men that prefers scam to working responsibly, diligently and make their money illegally?

Why is the country now the poverty capital of the world. Why is paternity fraud looming everywhere. The way this paternity fraud is going now self, are you even sure that you are with your real father. And the worst part is that our tradition supports paternity fraud.

**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Flat(m) .:. Sat, 09 Jan, 2021 - 10:19:16:am GMT


@nagiano:

Lol! Am also taking up this discussion not just for the sake of doing but with the available information I have at my disposal and the more the discussion is going, the more I keep on updating my bank of information. 
Now, you said it is not the western culture that encouraged premarital sex; all those pornographic movies we see, is it not the westerners that do the movie, all those condoms that we see around, where is it coming from; all those sex toys and machine we see around, where are they coming from, is it not from this western culture and yet you are saying the western culture is not encouraging premarital sex. Fine, on the area of condom, it might be useful to the married couples but you will agree with me that the bulk of it is being used by the youth of nowadays. There are different ways that have been developed to make the virginity of a woman to be restored even after several rounds of sex, and yet we still say they are not encouraging premarital sex.
Talking about the issue of internet fraud and scam, you see, I can bet it with you that Nigeria is no where to be found in this issue because those westerners are the boss themselves. Sincerely, I still don’t know the major reason why a lot of people keep on thinking that Nigeria has the highest number of fraudsters, maybe because of the useless ways are leaders are behaving. Able brother, you can go over to the internet and check it out yourself, you will see that Nigeria is not even on the list at all. 
Again, talking about the issue of what they learnt from us and inculcated to theirs. Don’t forget that they learnt some sculptural work from us, with the little knowledge I have about this, I once heard the export some of our sculptural work back then. 
I stand to be corrected on this though but I know am right...


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Nagiano(m) .:. Sat, 09 Jan, 2021 - 09:02:58:pm GMT


@Flat:


Firstly if you say they export our sculptural work, I want to ask you this question have you seen the sculptural works of the westerners? I will implore you to try to look for a video on how westerners do their sculptural works especially the Asians, then you will realize that they never imported our work because they don't know it. They are so good at it and I can even bet that they are far better than us if we want to compare. To me, I feel they import it maybe because the person wanted to work on African sculpture and needed ideas but never because they don't know it.

One problem with Nigerians is the ability to come up with fresh ideas of their own. If you see how the westerners handle sculpture and the ideas they come up with bro you will have a change of thought as regards your point. Sculpture is something I have watched alot of videos on.

You also talked about condom and you made mention of the fact that youths use it more than married couples. I want to ask you to check the reasons why condoms were made in the first place. 

The idea behind condom was majorly based on the prevention of STDs especially during the time when HIV and AIDS first started. Many people were dieing then and part of the measures of reducing the spread of the disease was what led to the production of condoms. So don't even associate it with encouraging premarital sex because as far as sex is concerned, it is a decision made by the individual. I can't really go on and start listing the reasons why condoms were made for you but I'm only going to let you know that what you commented about it is a misconception. 

Before any form of production starts in the first place, there is always an objective behind it and how it will meet the needs of consumers but when consumers now starts using it based on their own  reasons doesn't mean you should now blame it on the producers. My point is that before condoms were made, premarital sex have been rampant in Nigeria so condom didn't encourage it but rather is a means of protecting the people from spreading diseases and unwanted pregnancies. So Don't blame the westerners for making condoms because it is doing us more good than harm.


**Man United for Life**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Wonders(f) .:. Fri, 19 Mar, 2021 - 10:59:28:am GMT

If I hear you say you believe our culture is the best especially yourba. Oh my God! Are you a yourba person? What is good about it? Is it the loads of insults and curses we like to rain upon ourselves or is it the compulsory greetings and respect we have to give even to the ones that may be killing us in the inside or what? Is it the culture that portrays our parents and elderly ones to always be right! To always be perfect. The only ones that are always wrong is we the children. Is that what you call the best?
Growing up, the only thing I learned how to do is to be strong alone! It is a sin for me to make a mistake.
But look at them there, you are allowed to voice your emotions. Elderly ones apologized when they are wrong. You are allowed to have your own feelings and do things they way you know works and its the best for you.
Here in my country, it is the one that can kneel down and greet the whole world that is considered the respectful ones even though they may be planning how to kill you on the inside.
I have always love to be real! To be authentic but the truth of the matter is that my country, my culture doesn't permit that and I have to fight every single day how to keep my own feelings to myself. I have to fight everyday how to be that perfect sister who must not make a single mistake for if I do, am considered to be evil and an ingrate.
Is this what you call the best? Then if also think so, am afraid to say you are just like the rest of them who value hypocrisy than authenticity!.
**Wonders**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: GbenijieOdion(m) .:. Mon, 05 Apr, 2021 - 10:42:06:am GMT

Of course African culture is far better than Western culture as we have best attitude/charisma for different purposes. African are blessed and high time we appreciate our values and norms especially the beautiful aspect of our traditions.

In Africa, we revere our elders, leaders and people in general. There is always a prefix or suffice of respect in our intonation and this makes it beautiful.

Our culture our pride.
**Aghisni-YaRosulillah**


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Iyanu(f) .:. Thu, 02 Sep, 2021 - 10:16:58:pm GMT

Western culture is what copy nowadays we don't value our own culture anymore and this is not good .
African has the best culture ever ,the white people has already make use of civilization to divert our ways of doing things in to another side right.

Our culture did not allow women to put on trousers but look at the rate of ladies,girls,woman who put on trousers.
Our culture did not allow men to put on ear rings but boys put on ear rings in the street.
African culture is well presented and it includes training and adequate knowledge of impertation
Our culture is the best let follow it and make use of our culture in the society .


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Lilcent(m) .:. Tue, 28 Sep, 2021 - 08:26:05:am GMT

I strongly support the fact that any culture that brings progress is what we should encourage and follow.
In Africa we fail to evaluate our cultural practices and this goes a long way in affecting us.


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Re: Western Culture / African Culture by: Abbey(m) .:. Wed, 29 Sep, 2021 - 12:38:18:am GMT

Nigeria don't usually value what they have .
We copy almost everything from other countries , african culture is still the best for me , let us value our own culture and bring forth the goals and norms in it .
Africa has the best culture ever believe me.
**Abbey **


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